“For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.” 2 Cor. 11:14-15.
The above passage describes Harold Camping better than any other Scripture. He is a deceitful worker, and a minister of Satan. His interpretation of the Bible is like a backlash on a spinning reel. His allegorical method of interpretation leaves you with no way to correct him, or get a handle on his teaching.
He has already prophesied, and given dates for the rapture, and both of them failed. Now, he has set the date of October 21 as the end of the world. He was wrong on the others, and will be wrong on this one. It may be the end of the world for Camping’s ministry. As gullible as people are, I can’t imagine anyone being so stupid they would continue to follow him. Nor can I believe he will show his face again.
No one on this earth knows when the rapture will take place, when the Tribulation will begin, who the Antichrist is, who the false prophet is, or when the end of the world will come. None of these can be known from Scripture. Therefore, all who pretend to know these things, are lying, or deceived. Let them bring forth their PROOF. (Notice that on the side of the bus these words, “The Bible Guarantees it.” It does not! This is the damage Camping is doing. He is telling the world that the Bible tells when these events will happen. Then when they do not, people say, “See, the Bible is wrong.” Again, the Bible is not wrong. It NEVER gives the time of those events.)
If you are a Christian, I suggest you ignore Harold Camping and all teachers and preachers who mishandle the Word of God. The Bible should not be allegorized. If the Bible uses types, it will be clear from the context. The safe and right method is to read it naturally as you would read any other book. It will make sense to you when you do.
Don’t worry about October 21. That will not be the rapture or the end of the world. However, those things are coming in their time sequence as set by God. If you are not saved, you can accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior right now. Just tell Him that you are accepting Him as your Savior. Find a King James Bible and start reading the book of Romans. You will be glad you did.
Pastor Ken Blue was born in Boswell, Ark. In 1955 he accepted Christ as his Savior. He and his wife Joyce were married in 1955. They have 5 children. He graduated from Midwestern Baptist Bible College in 1969 and started the Open Door Baptist Church in Lynnwood, Wa. where he pastored for 39 years. Because of health issues (ALS) he was forced to resign as pastor. It is his desire to continue to be used of God to help pastors and believers through this ministry.
Well said Pastor, amen! Attention seekers, like this demented “brother”, do more harm to the cause of Christ than a whole gaggle of atheists.
Bryan
Mr. Blue:
1) You’ve judged Camping too harshly. His error isn’t in setting a date, it’s in setting the wrong date. It’s based on his belief that because Satan is here in spirit that that fulfills the prophecy of the Antichrist. The Antichrist is known from scripture-” Identity Of The Antichrist”, by me, is on-line (Associated Content) if you’d care to take a look.
2)” The LORD will do nothing but He reveals His plans to His servants”. ” But you are not in darkness that that day should overtake you.” Whenever there has been a judgement- The Flood, Nineveh, etc., the Lord has sent a warning of the day if not the hour.
3) For you to say that these things can’t be known marks you at best as misled and misleading. I’ll wager you can’t hold a candle to Camping’s sincerity and devotion to the scriptures and the Lord. You seem to be simply parroting the third hand dogma you learned in seminary without ever questioning or analyzing if those things were true. It is precisely this sort of half-stepping, dogma- tism that has brought about the end of the church age. When the Antichrist (Satan in person) shows up it won’t surprise me to see
“pastors” like yourself rush to embrace him.
P.S. You could learn a lot from a real pastor like Arnold Murray of The Shepherd’s Chapel in Gravette, ARK.
Dear Mr. Tilse,
My judgment of Mr. Camping is nothing compared to how God is going to judge him and all false prophets. His error was in setting a date, it was wrong. Secondly, Satan has always been around and he is not THE Antichrist.
You show your disregard or ignorance of the Scriptures when you use a passage to the nation of Israel as though it is to a deluded gentile false prophet. “Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying, You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities. Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Will a lion roar in the forest, when he hath no prey? will a young lion cry out of his den, if he have taken nothing? Can a bird fall in a snare upon the earth, where no gin is for him? shall one take up a snare from the earth, and have taken nothing at all? Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. The lion hath roared, who will not fear? the Lord GOD hath spoken, who can but prophesy?” Amos 3:1-8.
Are you suggesting that Camping is one of God’s prophets? You must be joking.
Camping has proven already that he doesn’t know what he is talking about. You talk about his sincerity; I don’t question it. That only proves that sincerity and accuracy are not the same. I believe he is sincerely deceived and diluted, and so are his followers.
If you have any PROOF that Camping’s prophecies came to pass, present them. October 21, will come and pass just like his other predictions. Of course, he will allergies that day as he has all the others. Speaking of parrots, you sound somewhat like him.
Camping’s theories are very disturbing. All the stuff that he’s saying is really going against the Bible, Church, even what Jesus said in the Gospel of Matthew. Besides, his excuses for his previous dates were twisted. How can someone know what God had planned on those dates? If what he said was true, God and Jesus would make their presence known, not pass judgement without our knowledge. God doesn’t need someone to interpret for him. What Jesus said in Matthew colliding with this insanity is kinda making me paranoid. But still, no one believes him. His employees, even his own family. October 22nd comes, he’ll just put the world in a state of emergency with another prediction, assuming A Bible Answer will take all of his power away from him.
Good insight. Luke.
A False Prophet is not one who predicts wrong dates. Any True believer like Harold camping can interpret the scriptures wrongly and have wrong assumptions but that does not make him a False Prophet. False prophet are those millions of prophets who decieve by name of WORD OF FAITH teachings, who reject the Trinity and put Christ as their servant and indulge in false signs and wonders decieving millions and destroying their followers lives spiritully as well as physically and these false prohets have fancy million dollars homes, planes, jets and fancy cars. THESE ARE THE REAL FALSE PROPHETS and there are millions of them in the world.
If Camping is not a false prophet, I don’t know who is. However, just in case he is not, we will classify him as a “false teacher” of these last days. “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
I don’t think nobody but god knows when the end of “us” not the world but “us” is going to be and I think its very wrong for any human to set a date like he figured the lords plans out!!! And anyways what is the point of this Mr. Camping’s predictions..what is he trying to achieve by giving these dates? he should just take his time preaching the lords word only and stop making up dates of the end of the world to catch media attention.
Mr. Blue,
You are not suggesting that you believe in the rapture are you? If you are then what is the difference between you and Mr. Camping…other than he predicted a date?
Best,
Lou
Lou, if the rapture question was the only issue with Mr. Camping, there still would be major differences in how he teaches it. Mr. Campings approach to Bible hermeneutics is the most unscriptural method used. He spiritualizes and allegorizes everything that he thinks supports his numerical myth. There is a world of difference between my beliefs and those of Mr. Camping.
I am a Bible believer, and do believe there will be a rapture as taught in Scripture. I will give you a couple of passages on the subject. However, I could show you, at least, seven different raptures in Scripture. “13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
Also, “51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.” 1 Corinthians 15:51-58.
This is where I stand. However, I would never set a date for any of these. As I have said before, no one knows the date of these events, except God. By the way, anyone can understad what the above passages say. No interpretation needed.
Mr. Blue,
I thank you for the reply…it is well that you quote the Word in your response.
The last line bothers me and so do Pastors that say it. When you say that: “Anyone can understand the above passages and what they say”. “No interpretation needed”. That’s where eyes and ears and minds are closed.
That is why I cannot respond because you say: “No interpretation needed”. Camping does the same (except for the dates and times) and I will not argue but I will ask a question…
When I can’t say how I feel or ask a question where “your word” is final and the Word of God isn’t, then how is this from God? The bible is open for business and interpretation is the key whether figurative or literal. One can never say it is not open for interpretation because there is ‘only one way’.
You are saying it is your way or the way of your denomination (that is fine) but there is no interpretation needed. Yet that may be wrong and it may be right.
It is no problem for me. Pastors are judged first after Christ returns.
Thank you for your time
Best,
Lou
Lou, all words must be understood in the context, which shows their intended meaning. I’m sure you know that. For example, you had no problem understanding what I meant when I said, “No interpretation needed”. In fact, that statement “bothered you.” So, you did interpret what I said and meant. If I responded to clarify that quote and said, “You misunderstood what I meant. What I really meant was, ‘no one can understand the passage, and therefore no interpretation will work.” If words do not mean what they say, we are at the mercy of control freaks. But, what do their words mean? Does “shut up,” mean speak up? Does “sit down” mean get up? Does “come here,” mean leave?
Now, I would ask you to open your eyes and ears and give us the interpretation of the two passages I sent you. It matters not to me if you believe them or not; what do they teach? Is a rapture in the text?
Looking forward to your interpretation.
Mr. Blue,
Let’s go back and look at what you wrote me…This is what you said:
“By the way, anyone can understad what the above passages say. No interpretation needed.”
(Ken Blue said that not Lou)
I am not bothered by this, as you inferred…you said it, not me.
This is the very clarification that is needed. The rest of your response and what you said about ‘control freaks’ and ‘getting up and sitting down’ or ‘come here, then leave’ I do not understand.
I do not need a bible to confirm the rapture doctrine is false. It is placed there by man. That is just common sense. No interpretation needed. I do not believe man. I believe Father.
I don’t wish to start up a cleverly witted argument with a man of your status in this world. It accomplishes nothing.
I pointed out to you that you and Camping have a lot in common ‘other’ than dates. I don’t judge and I NEVER will but I will point out you were calling him a false prophet. That’s the part of the deception that needs the most scrutiny…would you not agree?
How can a soul begin to understand the very concept of deception if the soul does not admit deception?
That’s how a person is changed spiritually. We all stand through the tribulation and no one is going ANYWHERE until Christ returns.
The funny thing about Mr. Camping is that he believed he would be taken first when he did not admit he must stand with the rest of us, until Christ get’s here…maybe now his conversion will begin and that’s the beauty of the Word as Father wrote it.
Wonderful and glorious is our maker and creator and the power of His presence in my life and I bow down to Him.
Best to you.
Lou
Lou, I hope things go well with you. I agree with your statement, “I don’t wish to start up a cleverly witted argument with a man of your status in this world. It accomplishes nothing.”
Best to you too